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I bought one a while back, I was able to add some of my v2 Iris sensors but I haven't been impressed with their interface, lack of an app, no GeoFencing, lack of although slowly growing support for online devices.  So I haven't put much in it, or spent much time with it in the last few months.  I keep it updated and keep hoping for improvements, they have a web dashboard now that is reminiscent of SmartTiles although I've added things and it takes too long for them to show up in it correctly and I'd rather have an app which would hopefully be faster and look nicer.

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4 hours ago, Terk said:

I bought one a while back, I was able to add some of my v2 Iris sensors but I haven't been impressed with their interface, lack of an app, no GeoFencing, lack of although slowly growing support for online devices.  So I haven't put much in it, or spent much time with it in the last few months.  I keep it updated and keep hoping for improvements, they have a web dashboard now that is reminiscent of SmartTiles although I've added things and it takes too long for them to show up in it correctly and I'd rather have an app which would hopefully be faster and look nicer.

I find the fact that it doesn't have a app and you want one very amusing, when. The V2 iris hub came out people where getting there pitch forks that there wasn't a web portal

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Hi all,

 

I'm just about finished moving my 400+ devices over to Hubitat.  In the 3 years I've been with SmartThings I've gradually outgrown the system and recently Samsung has been siltently signalling the change to a much more closed ecosystem targeted at customers who purchase their other products like home appliances etc.   I've been following Hubitats development since they announed it about a year ago.  It is impressive what a group of disgruntled former SmartThings customers can do in such a short amount of time.  Imagine where Iris would be right now if similar efforts had been made?

Anyhow, for those looking at the platform, it lacks a couple things that Iris has, although with the rumors of a platform shutdown, this may be moot. First there's no mobile app (it's coming), so you need to rely on a very basic web interface.  You can build dashboards which is nice, but it's time consuming.  With no app, there's no push notifications.  There's a native driver for Pushover, and if you're willing to pay a one-time cost of $5 to Pushover, you can do some pretty powerful single and group notifications within Hubitat.  They also support Life360 for geofencing which for me works better than SmartThings geofencing.

There's no option for cellular, nor is there any option for 3rd party monitoring.  The platform is not without its issues too.  The recent updates broke some automations.  Some locks aren't fully supported yet, and the Iris Smart Plugs don't make the best Zigbee routers as I'm learning (by mapping the network with XCTU).

The plusses are the fact that it's 100% local (except cloud integrations), has both a powerful lighting app, dedicated motion lighting app, and a very powerful rules engine.  For example, you can tie dimmer levels in most automations to system mode allowing lower light levels at night for example.  There's support for Hue including Hue Groups. There's a built-in app for creating scenes and device groups, both of which use Zigbee extensions.  If you've never used Zigbee multicast it's pretty impressive.  Imagine turning on 30 Iris Smart Plugs in under 1 second!

For those who do not mind tinkering, Hubitat is a decent platform to consider.

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20 hours ago, Devi8 said:

Sounds like my next HUB, too bad I really liked Iris, wish I didn't buy that v3. I still can't believe Lowe's is selling DOA Hubs

 

I find it strange that they're still selling hubs.  I mean, I suppose it's possible that they'll find a buyer.  But look at this from a business standpoint.  Why would they invest time and money in software development to create a system to push out that "Iris Shut Down" alert, if that fate had not already been decided?  Lowe's 4th quarter earnings call is coming up in about a month, I bet that's about the time the official announcement will come.

Anyhow, back to Hubitat.  They also just announced a v2 hub at CES and a soon-to-be-released mobile app.  So those concerned about the lack of an app should know it's coming.  The platform isn't as stable as I would like, but they're working on it with updates coming about every 2 weeks.  One unique feature of Hubitat is that you can actually run 2 hubs and keep them in sync, splitting automations and even devices across them both.  That's something I may do when the new hub comes out.

 

 

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4 hours ago, IrisUsers said:

 

I find it strange that they're still selling hubs.  I mean, I suppose it's possible that they'll find a buyer.  But look at this from a business standpoint.  Why would they invest time and money in software development to create a system to push out that "Iris Shut Down" alert, if that fate had not already been decided?  Lowe's 4th quarter earnings call is coming up in about a month, I bet that's about the time the official announcement will come.

Anyhow, back to Hubitat.  They also just announced a v2 hub at CES and a soon-to-be-released mobile app.  So those concerned about the lack of an app should know it's coming.  The platform isn't as stable as I would like, but they're working on it with updates coming about every 2 weeks.  One unique feature of Hubitat is that you can actually run 2 hubs and keep them in sync, splitting automations and even devices across them both.  That's something I may do when the new hub comes out.

 

 

It honestly doesn't matter how polished hubitat is, I have 60 devices that are going to need a new home, I lived through iris V2 evolution I can do it again.  I'm assuming with no buyer Lowe's will have to give consumers a time line on shutdown.  I don't think it can be just a immediate thing, or at least hope not. 

 

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I've pondered what happens when/if Lowe's shuts Iris down.  I've been involved with a couple community-based initiatives to assume operation of discontinued commercial products.  I would certainly be open to backing another and can probably put together a team to do it. But I think the biggest challenge preventing this from happening is probably Lowe's.  I seriously think they would prefer to kill the platform than to just give it away, despite the goodwill such a move would make.  But I doubt Lowe's would be interested.

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I doubt they would. It seems a lot of the moves they are making are not customer centric. My gut is they will just let this die and run the risk of alienating the minimal users Iris has. I doubt they will even get bad press out of this since Iris never seemed to get the light of day in any reviews or comparisons over the years. So I think they are hoping this just goes away.

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If you look at a post I have above, it's a list of complete devices, Halo is on there, so are the keypads. not sure about the arming stuff, I would like to know that as well

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2 hours ago, spollo said:

Hubitat seems interesting. Does anybody know if Hubitat support iris V2 keypads for alarm arming-disarming with PIN and Halo Smoke-CO detectors?

The V2 keypads are supported.   I have 3.  They are treated as locks in Hubitat.   You can use rules to arm and disarm using them. 

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I am waiting to see what SystonicRF does, but I think this is a my second choice if that does not pan out.  I really want to get away from a cloud based solution.

I just moved to into a new house with a large detached shop that I plan to setup first.  I had just got some wiring redone in the shop this last week and was pretty happy with my Iris setup then they shut it down.  I had switched my other house to smartthings a couple of years ago and used just few of my old V1 devices for some simple automations.  Mainly just turning on closet lights when you open the door.    At the new house I still have it setup with ST, but The shop didn't need anything fancy.   Just notify me if a door is opened or movement,  allow me to turn lights on and off remotely, so my Iris Hub and my old V1 devices that had been sitting in a bag for a couple of years was a good solution.  SystronicRF would be best because I can use my V1 sensors, or so they say.  If I switch to Hubitat I have to buy all new, but the $500 or so I am getting from Lowes should make that a viable solution.

 

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On 1/17/2019 at 2:20 PM, IrisUsers said:

Anyhow, back to Hubitat.  They also just announced a v2 hub at CES and a soon-to-be-released mobile app.  So those concerned about the lack of an app should know it's coming.  The platform isn't as stable as I would like, but they're working on it with updates coming about every 2 weeks.  One unique feature of Hubitat is that you can actually run 2 hubs and keep them in sync, splitting automations and even devices across them both.  That's something I may do when the new hub comes out.

 

 

Does the new hub offer anything over the original hub other than form factor?

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15 hours ago, Otto Mation said:

Does the new hub offer anything over the original hub other than form factor?

The radios are built-in as opposed to them using the Nortek Zigbee & ZWave stick.  That means no dongle hanging out the back.  I’m told processor specs are remaining the same.

 

11 hours ago, sptrr99 said:

I asked on their Facebook page and they told me they were not releasing dates on the mobile app and were silence on the hub.  Not the best start for engagement.

As an Iris customer you certainly cannot hold that against them.  How many things did Lowe’s promise, how many deadlines came and went?  These guys are a bunch of former SmartThings developers who themselves got stung by Samsung making promises on deliverables and failing to deliver.  The reality is they don’t want to follow in Samsungs (or Lowe’s) footsteps.

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3 hours ago, PeteSal said:

Does this Brand do security?

I like the face that it does local processing and that I can use my existing iris sensors.

Yes, it has a security component.  You can sign up for Noonlight for professional monitoring for $10 a month.

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On 1/31/2019 at 6:43 PM, IrisUsers said:

The V2 keypads are supported.   I have 3.  They are treated as locks in Hubitat.   You can use rules to arm and disarm using them. 

You can still type a code in and it will disarm the security system?  What rules do you use for the keypads to work?

I was on the fence with Smartthings,  reading that you can use the iris v2 keypads, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont.  I definitely need a keypad so that someone other then me can arm and disarm the system when I'm not home.

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1 minute ago, PeteSal said:

You can still type a code in and it will disarm the security system?  What rules do you use for the keypads to work?

I was on the fence with Smartthings,  reading that you can use the iris v2 keypads, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont.  I definitely need a keypad so that someone other then me can arm and disarm the system when I'm not home.

Keypads are naively supported in Hubitat.  No need to load any drivers.  Since they’re treated just like locks any automation that can be triggered by a lock event will work. You can also arm from the keypad as well.

Truthfully I don’t need to use the keypads much.  Mainly to disarm from a glass break or water event.  For normal operation, I use combined presence (SmartThings fob, SmartThings app geolocation, and Life360 geolocation) to arm and disarm the system with near perfect results.  Since I still have the Arlo cameras on SmartThings, I keep the ST phone presence working and have it linked to my primary Hubitat hub.

Now that everything runs local, I do find that the security part of Hubitat exceeds SmartThings.

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