SystronicRF system is now available to general public
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So they have finally released a public version.  I am pretty happy with it.  I think there are a few devices they should have gotten working first, but overall it works really well.  The device availability is still a bit limited but they are very open and responsive to adding new things.  You can go to their site to read about pricing and such.  The cost point is a bit higher than the others since along with the software you have to buy the PI hardware and Zigbee and Zwave network adapters.    If they keep progressing as they are, I believe I will eventually move most of my home automation to their system.  

My system has crashed twice but each time Systronics was able to reload my system back just as it was.  I wrote about this in another thread, which is a big advantage over Smartthings.  Whic is my main home automation system now.  I dread the day my ST hub crashes.  I only had to remove a couple batteries to get a few of the V1 devices to reconnect.  They say I am the only one that this has happened to and no one else has reported anything like this in the forum so I believe them.  I think it is the environment my system is in.   It is in my shop office which is insulated but not until recently was it cooled.  It has been a hot summer and it would get upwards of 90 in the office sometimes.

I have since added a portable AC unit that I can turn on and off via Wifi.  It is not controlled directly by the SystronicRF CS, but I monitor the temp and the CS tells me when the temp is getting too high by  sending me notifications.  I then can turn on the AC wherever I am via another app on my phone

I have asked the Systronic guys to look into adding something so you could control a remote device via their system and they say they are working on it.  So hopefully in the near future I will have teh AC totally automated.  One thing that is good about this system, the guys seem pretty responsive to problems and will fix things pretty quickly.  It hasn't been running long enough this last time to tell if the cooling has fixed the issue or not.  It ran from Feb till June, approximately 4 months with no issues.  Then only about another month after that before it crashed again.  I then added the AC and it has been up a couple months now.  It's starting to cool off some, so hopefully it will be ok now.

This new release is supposed to support the V1 cameras.  I personally have not tried it as they still don't have the process totally automated,  I am looking forward to checking it out once they get it working.  It will make your camera totally independent of the cloud, you can save all you videos on a USB stick on your PI.  

It supports almost all of the old V1 hardware.  It also has customizable dash boards, that I use quite extensively for general day to day monitoring.  It probably would have been better for them if they could have been at this point when Iris shutdown, but as we all know Lowes kind of surprised everyone with that one.

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Thanks for your very balanced review.

Just one point on your AC.  I think this is the unit that has IR control.  We did buy a WiFi / IR hub at the time, which looks identical to yours.  It’s one of those technologies that we are keen to move ahead with, because it opens up a whole new area, for us, of IR appliance control.  For now, we need to stay focused on our To-Do list, so it might be some time before we can get to it.

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2 hours ago, SystronicsRF said:

Thanks for your very balanced review.

Just one point on your AC.  I think this is the unit that has IR control.  We did buy a WiFi / IR hub at the time, which looks identical to yours.  It’s one of those technologies that we are keen to move ahead with, because it opens up a whole new area, for us, of IR appliance control.  For now, we need to stay focused on our To-Do list, so it might be some time before we can get to it.

WiFi-IR-Hub.jpg

What is the source of this device? I have a couple Sanyo mini-split systems that I would like to be able to control. They have an IR remote but no provision for BT or Wi-Fi connection.

I found this unit from Sensibo which looks promising.

https://sensibo.com/products/sensibo-sky

Any chance this can be controlled by SystronicsRF ?

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On 10/10/2019 at 7:00 PM, Terminal said:

My system has crashed twice but each time Systronics was able to reload my system back just as it was.  I wrote about this in another thread, which is a big advantage over Smartthings.  Whic is my main home automation system now.  I dread the day my ST hub crashes.  I only had to remove a couple batteries to get a few of the V1 devices to reconnect.  They say I am the only one that this has happened to and no one else has reported anything like this in the forum so I believe them.  I think it is the environment my system is in.   It is in my shop office which is insulated but not until recently was it cooled.  It has been a hot summer and it would get upwards of 90 in the office sometimes.

Hmmm... when I was beta testing this my system crashed a few times as well.  To restore it required re-pairing all my devices which wasn't an easy task. 

Reviewing the cost of this system I believe they are going to eventually price themselves out of the market.  Why would someone pay $332.95 for all components necessary to run SystronicsRF when you can buy a Hubitat Elevation right now for $74.95?  The only advantage SystronicRF has is they support WiFi so you can use your Iris V1 cameras with limited functionality.  In my opinion the Iris cameras are junk so the extra cost for WiFi is not justified.  You could use the $258 cash savings and build a Blue Iris server which would give you full local control of your IP based cameras.

 

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As Terminal has mentioned, anyone in the USA can now purchase a software license for the Control System.

The main SystronicsRF.com website has been revised to promote the use of the Control System more widely, and to include the online purchasing of licenses for the Control System software.

The one-off license fee includes all of the features described in the website.  There are no recurring subscription fees, and the license fee includes updates and support for the first twelve months.

We have also made arrangements with a specialist Raspberry Pi Accessories supplier in the USA for them to supply pre-assembled Pi units.  These include the Pi, case, charger, and Micro SD card, with the card pre-loaded with the Control System software.

Although we have expressed our gratitude privately to those users who have supported us throughout the last eight months, we would also like to take this opportunity to express our appreciation more publicly.

As these users know, our approach is to work closely, and honestly, with them.  We greatly value their very informative feedback, and, in return, we endeavor to address every issue that they raise, both promptly and effectively. 

Working with the larger systems has been particularly beneficial to us, because it has enabled the Control System to be exercised and tested to the maximum extent.

As a result, we have jointly made considerable progress since February.  We won’t attempt to list the existing features of the Control System in this post, because they are already described in outline on the website.  We will be adding more posts on this forum in the future, to both expand on the existing features, and to describe new features as they are introduced.  

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15 hours ago, Vettester said:

Hmmm... when I was beta testing this my system crashed a few times as well.  To restore it required re-pairing all my devices which wasn't an easy task. 

 

 

I never had to re-pair a single device.

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I remember living in fear of my Iris hub dying. The battery pack in it quit years ago, and I'd have to walk around with an ethernet cable and a long extension cord attached to the hub if I had devices (like GDO's and deadbolts) that needed the hub near them to re-pair. Iris CSR's would tell me to baby it because I was out of luck if I dropped it -- they had no back-up of my system.

In marked contrast, if my SRF Control System ever dies, I'm just an email away from getting the system running again -- they've got my whole system imaged.  I've found them extremely responsive when I've had problems. I don't think the guys sleep.

I too have never had to re-pair (or rejoin, as our Brit friends say) all the devices on my system.  I have had to turn on the pairing process in order to "remind" a few Gen II ZigBee devices that they are on the system.

SRF is the path I've chosen for various reasons I've expressed before. I'm pleased with my choice.

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I did have a few issues in the Beta, but with that said I have had lots of stability issues with Hubitat. Maybe some of those issues were actually the devices themselves, but with that said they were rock solid on Iris. Maybe I should pull it back out and see if can get it running better than Hubitat. 

 

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Hey guys great news with SystronicRF.  I'm glad the V1 devices are still usable.

If anyone has a need for more V1 hardware I have a ton of brand new never paired devices if anyone needs any.

 

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On 10/11/2019 at 8:48 AM, sparc said:

What is the source of this device? I have a couple Sanyo mini-split systems that I would like to be able to control. They have an IR remote but no provision for BT or Wi-Fi connection.

I found this unit from Sensibo which looks promising.

https://sensibo.com/products/sensibo-sky

Any chance this can be controlled by SystronicsRF ?

The device I have was by a company called YTF and I paid about $20.00 on amazon. Just checked and it says it is now unavailable.   It was a cheap solution and the reviews seemed good.  It has worked really well for me. 

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I've been a Beta tester for the SRF system since Iris died last spring.  I've got 78 devices, including all my old Iris stuff and many new items running nicely.  Everything is working pretty solidly now.  There were some (expected) issues during the early Beta phase and, as others have said, SRF is excellent in responding to issues.  I'm amazed at how many devices work with the SRF hub vs any other system.  

The concept of using a configurable Pi for a hub vs a fixed hub such as all others use is that it's more likely adaptable to future protocols as devices hit the market.  As it stands now, I'm running four different interfaces to devices in my home (legacy Zigbee; modern Zigbee; Z-Wave; and WiFi).  With the ability to buy a configured Pi, the system becomes accessible for the average user that may not want to build their own hub (which is quite simple).  The cost of the software, given the broad capabilities is frankly quite a bargain.  I've got thousands of dollars in devices, so I'm not thinking the cost of the software is an issue as it's less than the cost of a single deadbolt.  No recurring monthly costs is more significant.

When Iris died, I switched my summer camp (which was all Z-wave) over to Hubitat to gain some insight into how that system worked vs SRF.  I initially thought Hubitat had some pretty good capabilities, especially the configurable dashboard, but SRF has now far surpassed their approach to dashboards and allows me to build exactly what I want with a multitude of panes, including power meters, video streams, switches, graphs, and many more.

It takes a little while to get used to the conventions used by SRF, but once you get the hang of it, the control possibilities are wide open.  I've been able to create some complex conditional actions that would have been impossible with Iris.  I think one of the strengths of the SRF system is that it would be a very powerful tool for professional automation installers to build custom system from, while retaining the ability for average users to manage their homes.

I'm convinced this is the best approach for my use and am sticking with it for the long haul.

 

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21 hours ago, RonLh said:

I've been a Beta tester for the SRF system since Iris died last spring.

I was a beta tester as well with 3X the number of devices you have so I am very familar with this system.  One of the reasons I left was because I didn't like the direction SytronicsRF was going with their browser UI.  As many of us know the key to a successful home automation implementation is to make sure you maintain a high wife appreciation factor (WAF).  Our significant others don't want to be bothered with clunky interfaces so a highly polished UI app is very important.  In my opinion both Hubitat and SystronicsRF are focused primarily on automation functionality and have missed the boat when it comes to a polished UI app.  With Hubitat I have created a HomeBridge connection to all of my devices so that I can use Apple's Home app as a UI.  Apple has spent a significant amount of money developing their UI which helps keep the WAF high.

Below are some screenshots from the Home and Home+ apps.

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I just received my Systronics hub. I ordered it preconfigured so it would PNP.  I am unable to get it to connect.  Tried different Ethernet cables without success.  Followed all steps and no luck.  Tried connecting on tablet and phone.

Any thoughts?  Invent Pulled the card and see it it has data.  

 

Their website says there is a community forum but can't find it.

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